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Xue Yi Liang · Jul 09, 2005, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Dbeck002

1. When is the best time to sell raw materials and where?

So far I am farming raw materials as per the instuctions at the beginning of the thread. I am falling upon lots of steel and linen etc... It's great. I just want to know where to sell it all to make the most profit.

2. Also, what do I do with all my minor and major runes (and some superiors) that are worth only 120 gold and sell for 25 at the rune trader. I can't get anyone to buy this, no one buys minors anymore.

3. Where is the best place to farm for raw materials i.e produces the most bolts of X per salvage.

1. I sell to the materials trader - I just monitor his buying prices and sell when it's high. Sometimes I have to wait days.
2. I just sell off my runes to the trader for whatever I get. I don't waste time bartering with people.
3. That's a trade secret - lol. Areas with heavy weapons and armor drops are good for metals. Undead are a good source for cloth. I'll leave it at that.

Dbeck002 · Jul 09, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

One more thing, wheres the best place to farm white mantle.

Preferrably non ranged, melee white mantles. I looked at a lot of places and most groups are 2 justiciars and one sycophant or ritualist which = bad for a trapper. I like mantles because they yield the best cloth and iron.

Xue Yi Liang · Jul 09, 2005, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Dbeck002

One more thing, wheres the best place to farm white mantle.

You mean, what's the next place to be nerfed? Beats me.

Deathlord · Jul 09, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Yeah... for me, the best way of making money is sheer patience and knowledge. Time is definetly money, if you're still trying to spend hours ripping off newbs with runes you're trying to sell for 1k that cost 100, you have to ask yourself... is 900 gold every other hour worth it? Salvaging is a patient process, the best way I find is just making other rare materials with normal supplies that you can either find or buy, and just keep them in the inventory until you see a person who needs them. Spam advertising is never neccesary, saying the same thing 5x won't make a person want it anymore. I've just farmed random things that drop white armors and after hours of it, i have over 100 steel ingots. even if i sold them for about 200ish each, that'll still result in 20k. That more than pays off the expert salvage kits i had to buy, not to mention the other materials i've found. Also, always check the market for good deals... this does, of course, require alot of knowledge about the pricing market.

If you don't know what an expensive and cheap price is between a max damage + while enchanted storm bow, then you obviously can't make money off of it. I once bought a purple fellblade with max damage +12% while hp is above 50% for only 10k. I didn't advertise for it, i just noticed a guy selling it and when I saw what he was asking for, I knew it was a good deal, so i bought it and spend about 15 minutes around lions arch and was able to resell it for a decent 55k. 45k profit requiring no extreme grinding or time.

Dbeck002 · Jul 09, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

You mean, what's the next place to be nerfed? Beats me.

Dammit!! >< why won't you tell me where teh ubar farming is!!!11

Xue Yi Liang · Jul 09, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35

The answer is - there is no single "uber farming source."
That's actually the nice thing about farming for raw materials.

If you're a monk you can farm undead.
If you're a warrior you can go after the big beasts.
etc.

You get the idea.
The secret is that there is no secret, young padawan.

Dbeck002 · Jul 09, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Yes master.

But which targets yield the most raw materials is what I'm asking.

7+ of cloth, iron, tanned, wood etc...

I know giants boots give decent produce (carrots, lettuce) but there has to be something that yields more, giants are too easy to kill with a trapper.

Brother Mhenlo · Jul 09, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

i am impressed with you xui ling so you recomend salvaging materials and the fissure run, is it possible to farm the giants that travel in mobs of 7+ north of camp rorik in the deldrimor mountains or would u have to dual farm that they are lvl 24 maybe even trio farm that?

Sholtar · Jul 09, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

Your use of the term "stupid" is incredibly naive.

Different people get different things out of the game, that's what makes it fun. Some players collect 15k armor. Some people spend all their time playing with emotes and chatting with friends at Lion's Arch. Some people want to master the HoH. Some want to make all-pink armor. Good for all of them - none of that is "stupid." After all, it's still just a game and it's about having fun, no matter how you do it. It's dumb if you haven't realized that by now.

So why am I gathering money? The reason is simple: I've already finished the game more than once. I've done just about every bonus. I help my guildies in tough quests and missions. I've captured every elite for my primary and my secondary. I have 1.97 million exp and 29 unused skill points. It's getting so I've had to change my secondary a couple of times just to use up skill points. I've explored as much uncharted territory as I could. I've been through the UW and FoW countless times (I'm still working on finishing ALL the quests, though). The only thing I haven't mastered is PvP which is a different game entirely. HoH is foreign to me.

I gather money because it's fun and because I can. I used funds to get a guild hall to get good equipment for guildies that deserve but can't afford it. And if I can help others do the same then that's even better.

Please think twice before you use the word "stupid." It's just a game.

Sorry for taking so long to respond. My use of the word stupid isn't naive, it's blunt and opinionated. Let me just clear up though, that I have no problem with you farming. It's fine with me, you can do whatever you want with your game. I'm just saying that in my personal opinion, playing the game for the sake of the fake money is stupid. I think the game is meant to be played, not farmed. That's my opinion, and I'm voicing it. I'm not trying to insult you, etc, etc. I'm just voicing an opinion.

Borealis · Jul 09, 2005, 07:23 PM // 19:23

I've got 4 different places I farm personally, 3 have been talked about on the forums and one spot where I can farm jade armors and jade bows.

I also enjoy farming, who's to say how another should play the game. If you're logged into the game, you're playing it....regardless of what you're doing.

ZD_kusanagi · Jul 09, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Would you care to share these farming spots and what characters you use to farm each spot Borealis? I think it would be very helpful for all of us if we shared our farming spots.

Personally, I farm thirsty river, Elonas Reach(rarely anymore), The area north of port sledge with the mobs of grawl, and of course fissure and UW.

Pelias · Jul 09, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Bullshit.
1. As mentioned, you can get 2P/hour from farmirng rare materials.
2. Expert salvage cost 400G.
3. Unsalvaged items sell for at last 200% more than common materials (not including tools costs!)
4. 250 cloth is mere 750G.

Unless you have a bot that did that 500-1000 hours of farming for you, what you say is an absolute lie. Assuming you're getting lucky with rare materials, it would take ~550 hours of constant, not interrupted farming to get that cash. If you farm common materials, buahahaha! I won't even comment.

For curious: real cash *is* in trading. DF runs, Trade, HoH. That's a way to get rich.

Paine · Jul 09, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

The answer is - there is no single "uber farming source."
That's actually the nice thing about farming for raw materials.

If you're a monk you can farm undead.
If you're a warrior you can go after the big beasts.
etc.

You get the idea.
The secret is that there is no secret, young padawan.

Sorry, but that's bullshit. I don't think you got 1000k gold in your stash by farming for raw materials. That's impossible and will never be done.
My only thoughts:

* You win in HoH and gain sigils and sell them
* You're botting
* Buying cash for real money
* Everything that does not concern "raw materials"

Sorry but you can't trick me with your raw materials.

Paine · Jul 09, 2005, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Dbeck002

Dammit!! >< why won't you tell me where teh ubar farming is!!!11

It's just his excuse for not telling you. According to what he said; he's done EVERYTHING in this game except winning HoH. If you found a PERFECT farming spot with your character and it's only YOU who know it, would you tell it to someone else? Hell no. This thread does not belong in this forumsection. This is just a show-off thread.

Xue Yi Liang · Jul 09, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Sholtar, who ever said I play the game "just for the sake of fake money"? I already mentioned what I do with the money and that I play other aspects of the game as well. But even if someone was only out to make money that's their business and there's nothing wrong with that. How is that different from someone wanting to pay 60k for armor who's stats are identical to 1.5k armor just because it looks "cool"?

Am I saying you aren't entitled to your opinion? Certainly not. You might feel it's "stupid" for you to do the same, but that has no relevance to anyone other than yourself. It is naive to think it applies to anyone else.

Farming isn't a repetitive experience. The challenge of farming is that it takes a lot of time and effort to balance a build to be successful at it. Specialized building for solo farming is actually a whole different dimension of the game - just ask anyone who does it. To solo farm you have to learn the various AIs in the game to a greater degree than with group quests - even fissure runs. Learning how to negotiate an Arcanist's hexes while fighting off Lvl 24 griffins or taking on 4 hill giants and 2 imps is a challenge.

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When I do a fissure run and get a ruby, I don't say, "Mission accomplished," I say, "Hey that's cool, let's get on with the quest."

Do you think I do that? You also assume a farmer abandons a mission when they get a nice drop. That's not what farmers do - that's what inconsiderate players do. And FYI - when I'm in the FoW or UW I go for quests and, as a rule, I never leave prematurely - even when 4 or 5 people have already abandoned the team because of high DP. I don't go for "smite runs" - I don't believe in them.

This is how you describe "Fissure Runs:"

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Add to this all the incredibly easy experience, and how fun it is to run the Fissure...

Well, I might argue that going for the "easy experience" rather than a challenging task is rather pointless. But I accept that what you find to be "fun" may be different than what I find. But I'd never characterize your interests as "stupid."

Furthermore, if negotiating prices and earning money from the raw materials market wasn't a part of the game then there wouldn't be a supply/demand price structure or a trade channel. All prices would be fixed. Making money and bartering IS a part of the game. Everyone seems to recognize that but you.

I'm not going to convince you to emulate me. And I never said you aren't entitled to your opinion. I merely voiced my opinion in response. I rest my case.

Paine · Jul 09, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Read what I previously said.

Ked · Jul 09, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Dbeck002

Hi, questions.

2. Also, what do I do with all my minor and major runes (and some superiors) that are worth only 120 gold and sell for 25 at the rune trader. I can't get anyone to buy this, no one buys minors anymore.

You will likely get 100g or more for selling the identified armor to the merchant, which beats selling the rune to the trader for 25g plus the use of an expert salvage kit.

Xue Yi Liang · Jul 09, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Pelias

For curious: real cash *is* in trading. DF runs, Trade, HoH. That's a way to get rich.

LOL - then prove it.

Multifaros · Jul 09, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Wich place is best for farming in like, lvl 10-15?

Xue Yi Liang · Jul 09, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Anyone too shortsighted and dumb to try something before they start hostile accusations of botting or eBay doesn't really deserve a response. If you haven't figured it out, I'm trying to be helpful, you numbskulls.